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FOOD FIGHT & RED BARON ANALOG
"GIMBAL" JOYSTICK
CONTROLLER
PROJECT BLOG
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(Updated: 06-24-09)
There's been a lot of interest in
the progression of various projects over here at RAM Controls, so the
following page has been created to provide background information on the
original Food Fight and Red Baron analog gimbal joystick controllers as well as interesting photographs and
supporting text on the actual creation of the reproduction controllers.

Background
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Sometime
in the late 80's when I had the opportunity of working on Red Baron
arcade games and happened upon the occasional Food Fight machine, I
always noticed that the controllers were sloppy....not just once
here and there. No, it was every single time I had the
opportunity of getting my hands on either game! At some point
in time, Atari decided to just stop making parts for these machines,
namely the rubber bellow used to center the stick. The parts
that were remaining in the stockpile of various distributors
disappeared quickly. Every now and again, there may be a NOS
part floating around, but even those are usually no good now.
After all these years, the rubber material used to make the bellow
has long since dried out and hardened. It's sad lot in life is
one of inevitable failure. Obviously, this part being made
from rubber, it has a limited lifespan, no matter how well it may be
treated. It's only a matter of time. Anyhow, there's been one
single attempt thus far at making a suitable replacement from modern
materials, but it's not a very close reproduction. Because of
this, it feels "wrong" when used in a gimbal stick.
Aside from this, the controller has many more failure points.
Nearly every plastic part of this device tends to fail over
time. The analog gimbal joysticks are prime for reproduction! |
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Pretty
much all of the analog gimbal sticks which survive today are in
deplorable condition. Sure, you can still get a few of the
parts to patch it up, but the problem is that too many
"needed" parts are no longer available. That's where
we're going to step in and shake things up. Initially, we were
going to just reproduce this controller *exactly* like the
original. However, after having spent some time assessing the
original joysticks (both the Food Fight and Red Baron), it was
obvious (to me, at least) that some design changes were in
order. The problem is, as always, how to make these changes
while keeping the parts backwards compatible with the OEM
device. Well, for starters, simple changes like upgrading to
METAL for certain parts will help immensely! This would be
true with the actual "gimbals" as well as the housing
which contains the pivot ball. On other items, such as the
pivot ball itself, upgrading from nylon to delrin would be a massive
step in the right direction. Lastly, finding a way to get rid
of the linkage system and driving the analog potentiometers directly
off of the gimbals would be a delightful change. I believe
that all of these things can be done while maintaining the backwards
compatibility as well. Let's mark this one down on the to-do
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Construction Progress
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01/20/08:
As of today, we've officially announced our intention to reproduce
the analog gimbal joysticks - both the Food Fight version as well as
the Red Baron version. Both are similar enough, they can be
worked on simultaneously. To the left is the illustrated parts
list for the Food Fight analog joystick. Armed with this, a
couple of dead joysticks, some tweaked spare parts and a few NOS
parts, I think we're good to go. I'm going to focus on the top
plate, gimbals and linkages for starters. Those should all be
easy to repro and get the project rolling. I'll order up a
bunch of potentiometers, as well. |
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01/20/08:
The hardware was purchased some time ago, but it looks like we've
got pretty much all of our needs in the dept. covered. Looking
over the BOM, I don't see any hardware items listed that we don't
already have in stock. That's a good start. |
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02/20/09:
After a year of working on this project, it's been determined that
the following items are prime for upgrades: inner gimbal,
outer gimbal, centering bellow, housing, pivot ball and
linkages. We're considering our options at the moment, but
we're leaning toward these upgrades: (1) The inner and outer
gimbals will be made from aluminum and hard black anodized OR made
from plain steel and power coated (ehhhh) smooth black, possibly
black oxide. One possible mod would be to have each gimbal with an extra mod to allow direct
connection to potentiometer at it's pivot point. (2) The centering
bellow will be made in the same dimensions as the OEM bellow,
however our version will use a modern elastic polymer
material. (3) The housing will be made from upgraded delrin
material or 6061 aluminum, hard black anodized. (4) The pivot
ball with be made from precision ground delrin or precision ground nylatron. (5) The linkages will
be made from machined aluminum and hard black anodized. If we
use the gimbal mod mentioned in #1 above, we wouldn't require the
use of the linkages which means one less thing to go wrong.
All of these upgrades should produce a superior product. We
should have all of the prototype parts done sometime soon. To
the left is a Solidworks (2009) drawing of the nearly-complete Red
Baron controller assembly. Missing are the gimbals, linkages
and handle. NOTE: View in new page to see higher resolution
picture of assembly. |
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04/18/09:
To the left is a Solidworks (2009) drawing of the new analog
joystick mounting plate. The prototype, which is being
fabricated right now, will be made from aluminum and hard black
anodized (much like the Major Havoc top plate). This upgrade
from plastic to aluminum is an absolute *must* for the reproduction
controller. Obviously, this upgrade will allow the part to far
outlast it's OEM counterpart. Minor modifications were made to
allow a better fit with the reproduction control plate (below) while maintaining
100% compatibility with the updated white OEM control plates. NOTE: View in new
page to see higher resolution picture of part. |
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04/18/09:
To the left is a Solidworks (2009) drawing of the new analog
joystick control plate. Since this part is made from machined
acetal (Delrin) as opposed to injection molded Nylon, it's going to
be a much stronger part right from the get go. This is due in
part to the fact that we do not have to pay any attention to wall
thickness (which is a huge concern when using an injection molding
process), so we
can keep the walls as thick as possible throughout the entire part.
Also, the better wear properties of acetal are going to help as
well. This part has been modified further to allow a better
(snug, if you will) fit with the housing (below). This version
has "tabs" which mate up with the housing component to hold it in
place properly. Atari never did this with their original
control plate nor the upgraded version they later released which
allowed the control plate to shift around a bit. Very sloppy
on the part of Atari, but we have corrected this minor flaw.
NOTE: View in new page to see higher resolution picture of part. |
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04/20/09: The Food
Fight
handle knobs have been delivered. They are to original spec
with regard to the size, however, the density has been changed to
something much heavier. The original balls were called out in
Atari documents to be made from phenolic which they used in
prototypes and early production units. They eventually went on
the cheap and replaced the original knobs with nylon balls which
were less than quality. Our reproduction makes use of
precision ground, highly polished phenolic balls. Imagine a
billiard ball - same thing, just a different size. They're
extremely hard and much tougher than their nylon counterparts. |
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04/26/09:
To the left is a Solidworks (2009) drawing of the new analog
joystick housing. Two of these are required to completely
encase the pivot ball (below). Since this part is made from
machined acetal (Delrin) as opposed to injection molded Nylon, it's
going to be a much stronger part to begin with. This
is due in part to the fact that we do not have to pay any attention
to wall thickness (which is a huge concern when using an injection molding
process),
so we can keep the walls as thick as possible throughout the entire
part. Also, the better wear properties of acetal are going to
help as well. The thickness of the acetal where it makes
contact with
the pivot ball has been increased substantially. This will
provide for a much more rigid and reliable mechanical device which
will wear more slowly.
We are still considering manufacturing this part from 6061 aluminum
and hard black anodizing, but our current testing has proven that
the acetal housing is performing extremely well with our current pivot
ball material choice of Nylatron. NOTE: View in new page to see higher
resolution picture of part. |
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04/26/09:
To the left is a Solidworks (2009) drawing of the new analog
joystick pivot ball. This is one of the highest wear items on
the original joysticks, so we are paying very close attention to
this part. The original material that Atari used
varied between three different type. There was a cast phenolic which
wasn't so bad. Next was a cast nylon which was the worst of
the bunch. Last was a cast polyurethane which was somewhere in
the middle as far as performance is concerned. I have paid a lot of
attention to this component because I want the best possible choice
so the reproduction joystick will last the longest. The first
step is know that we must choose a material that is not cast, but
extruded. This will be a better material choice right from the
start. I then
sampled several different materials: nylon, oil impregnated
nylon, acetal (Delrin), phenolic, urethane and nylatron. Having
all of these materials in hand, I put each through the wringer to
artificially age each one. The results were not surprising for
the most part. Nylon did the worst, hands down. Phenolic
was the next worst which was somewhat of a surprise to some degree. It was followed by oil impregnated nylon,
urethane and then acetal. What was very surprising was the
material which has the best wear properties: Nylatron. Definitely
not expected, but a nice surprise indeed. Insanely expensive,
nylatron isn't what you'd expect from the name. Yes, it's a
type of Nylon, but it's out of this world in comparison.
Completely alien to nylon, this stuff wears even better than
phenolic and acetal
which is pretty cool. Acetal/Delrin is a close 2nd, so I may
go that route as the price increase of nylatron may not be offset
enough by the gain we get from it's use. NOTE: View in new
page to see higher resolution picture of part. |
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05/01/09:
After extensive testing and retesting to make sure my results were
precise, I decided to bite the bullet and place a big order for the
nylatron balls. Nylatron is based on nylon material but with
an added dry lubricant. It's this dry lubricant which makes
the wear properties of this material far exceed everything else
tested. I'm genuinely amazed by how well it performs.
Anyhow, the balls arrived as precision ground parts which are
pictured to the left. They did not come pre-machined with the
shaft hole or the spring pin hole. I can do all of that
in-house. I'd like to note that this pivot ball will not only
function in the Foodfight and Red Baron gimbal joysticks, but also
function in the Battlezone joysticks as well. |
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06/17/09: The Food
Fight control shafts have been cut, machined, drilled and knurling
applied to the ends. To the left is a sampling of the first
ten units to come off the line. Next is the chrome finish
which still needs to be applied. |
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06/22/09: The
knobs have been precision drilled on the CNC lathe. As
mentioned before, phenolic is an extremely hard material.
These balls took their toll on the bits used to drill into them.
Every 50 balls or so, the bit had to be changed out. Also to
note is the depth of the hole. Using three separate OEM balls to
take measurements from, it was noted that the depth varied from ball
to ball, up to 1/4" in some cases! It wasn't completely clear
why the depth varied so much until the original project
documentation was located which described the OEM process put into
use by Atari. The original balls were specified at a certain
depth but the process to drill them was manual and was done
completely without precision in mind. They had 8 stations set
up with each person eye-balling the depth. As long as the
drill bit didn't pop out of the other end of the ball, it was a good
cut! Yeah, pretty scary, taking everything into consideration.
Anyhow, the RAM Controls reproduction balls pictured to the left
were all cut (in-house) precisely to the original specification
within 0.0005 of an inch, so it can't get more precise than that! |
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06/23/09: The
shafts were an easy process, overall. The original Food Fight
controller shafts were made from the same material we used: 1018 CR
steel. The OEM shafts had a chrome plating which has suffered
terrible corrosion over the years. We've applied a chrome
finish as well, but ours is a bit different. Atari used what
was called a "protective chrome" which is a very thin layer of
chrome, only barely enough to even be considered a "finish"...
As such, this type of chrome is prone to quick and devastating
failure in the form of corrosion. Simply look at any OEM Food
Fight control shaft and you will see a prime example.
Our
chrome finish is known as a "decorative chrome"... Just like
it sounds, it's used for decoration -- it's purpose is to look as
nice as possible. The best part is that not only does it look
better, but it provides a superior protective coat as well.
This is accomplished by the process itself. The metal is
polished, then a very heavy chrome plating is applied, followed up
by another polish. This is how that perfect mirror finished is
created, and boy does it look nice! As a side note, we were
able to contract with a company who does chrome plating for Harley
Davidson, so we're getting a Harley Davidson quality chrome plate on
these parts. If you like eye-candy, go no further. |
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06/23/09: The
shafts were an easy process, overall. The original Food Fight
controller shafts were made from the same material we used: 1018 CR
steel. The OEM shafts had a chrome plating which has suffered
terrible corrosion over the years. We've applied a chrome
finish as well, but ours is a bit different. Atari used what
was called a "protective chrome" which is a very thin layer of
chrome, only barely enough to even be considered a "finish"...
As such, this type of chrome is prone to quick and devastating
failure in the form of corrosion. Simply look at any OEM Food
Fight control shaft and you will see a prime example.
Our
chrome finish is known as a "decorative chrome"... Just like
it sounds, it's used for decoration -- it's purpose is to look as
nice as possible. The best part is that not only does it look
better, but it provides a superior protective coat as well.
This is accomplished by the process itself. The metal is
polished, then a very heavy chrome plating is applied, followed up
by another polish. This is how that perfect mirror finished is
created, and boy does it look nice! As a side note, we were
able to contract with a company who does chrome plating for Harley
Davidson, so we're getting a Harley Davidson quality chrome plate on
these parts. If you like eye-candy, go no further. |
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06/23/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction shaft from a different angle.
Please note the luster/sheen of the shafts. They turned out
quite nice. Sure, the cost is quite high for this kind of
quality finish, but the cost is well worth it to have a perfect Food
Fight control shaft on the market. And, considering that it's been 20+ years since
these have been made available by the OEM, it was worth the added
expense to do it right. Also, please note the knurling which
has been applied to the end of the shaft. This knurling is
slightly deeper than OEM so it will "cut" into the knob a little
better, creating a solid, more secure fit. |
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06/23/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction shaft from a different angle.
Please note the luster/sheen of the chrome finished on this shaft.
It turned out looking beautiful. |
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06/23/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction shaft from a different angle.
Please note the luster/sheen of the chrome finished on this shaft.
It turned out looking beautiful. There's a close-up of the
chamfer at the end of the shaft. |
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06/24/09: And
here's the final product of mating the knobs and shafts together.
A beautiful reproduction control handle for the Food Fight gimbal
controller. Armed with an older Phase II 3-ton arbor press,
each handle was press-fit together by hand and closely inspected
afterward. Press-fitting into phenolic is almost an art form
in itself. The reproduction handles will be made available to
purchase shortly. |
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06/24/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction control handle from a different
angle. Note the close tolerance around the edge of the hole where
the shaft has been pressed in. Also, note the high gloss of
the ball top. Nice! |
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06/24/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction control handle from a different
angle. Note the close tolerance around the edge of the hole where
the shaft has been pressed in. Also, note the high gloss of
the ball top. Nice! |
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07/10/09:
The machining of the pivot balls has been completed. These
will work on Food Fight, Red Baron and Battlezone controllers.
The balls are made from Nylatron which is an unusual type of
plastic. Nylatron is based on nylon material but with
an added dry lubricant. It's this dry lubricant which makes
the wear properties of this material far exceed everything else
tested. I'm genuinely amazed by how well it performs.
I'd like to note another comparison to the original pivot balls made
by Atari. After some minimal research, I noticed that the
original pivot balls had huge gaps inside of the balls which is a
side effect of the casting process. Because of this, the
density of the OEM balls varied greatly and essentially caused the
part to be inferior. The reproduction balls pictured to the
left are machined down from bar stock and then precision ground to
spec. The resulting part has much tighter tolerances and
uniform density throughout each part. |
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07/16/09: The
shafts were an easy process, overall. The original Red Baron
controller shafts were made from the same material we used: D.O.M
(drawn over mandrel)
steel. The OEM shafts had a chrome plating which has suffered
terrible corrosion over the years. We've applied a chrome
finish as well, but ours is a bit different. Atari used what
was called a "protective chrome" which is a very thin layer of
chrome, only barely enough to even be considered a "finish"...
As such, this type of chrome is prone to quick and devastating
failure in the form of corrosion. Simply look at any OEM Food
Fight control shaft and you will see a prime example.
Our
chrome finish is known as a "decorative chrome"... Just like
it sounds, it's used for decoration -- it's purpose is to look as
nice as possible. The best part is that not only does it look
better, but it provides a superior protective coat as well.
This is accomplished by the process itself. The metal is
polished, then a very heavy chrome plating is applied, followed up
by another polish. This is how that perfect mirror finished is
created, and boy does it look nice! As a side note, we were
able to contract with a company who does chrome plating for Harley
Davidson, so we're getting a Harley Davidson quality chrome plate on
these parts. If you like eye-candy, go no further. Note:
the shafts are so polished, the picture is revealing fingerprints
from handling just prior to photographing them. |
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07/16/09: Here's
another picture of the reproduction shaft from a different angle.
Please note the luster/sheen of the shaft. They turned out
quite nice. Sure, the cost is quite high for this kind of
quality finish, but the cost is well worth it to have a perfect Red
Baron control shaft on the market. And, considering that it's been 20+ years since
these have been made available by the OEM, it was worth the added
expense to do it right. |
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07/16/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction shaft from a different angle.
Please note the luster/sheen of the chrome finished on this shaft.
It turned out looking beautiful. There's a close-up of the
chamfer at the end of the shaft.
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07/16/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction shaft from a different angle.
Please note the luster/sheen of the chrome finished on this shaft.
It turned out looking beautiful. There's a close-up of the
chamfer at the end of the shaft.
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07/16/09: Here's
another shot of the reproduction shaft from a different angle.
Please note the luster/sheen of the chrome finished on this shaft.
It turned out looking beautiful. There's a close-up of the
chamfer at the end of the shaft.
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Updates 01/20/08
- This project BLOG has officially been started. Our intention is to
reproduce both the Food Fight joystick and the Red Baron joystick.
Both will be heavily upgraded, while maintaining backwards
compatibility. This should prove to be a very interesting
project. Overall,
this appears to be a somewhat easy to reproduce item, though there are
many parts involved, so it will take some time to complete. No part
of this device is beyond our capabilities, so it should be a
straight-forward reproduction project. |
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